Packaged with the carmine VI’s it was easy to forget the XVII’s even came in this package. They were nice looking, the nubuck looked good, however they fit very very snug. They were long and narrow which forced you to go a half size up for 1/8 of an inch of width, just poorly executed. The carmines however were done VERY VERY well. If your looking for a pair of these definitely go a half size up and just know they aren’t that comfortable. Pictures below are from the DeFY. New York Photo Vault enjoy!